I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.

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    Even if the genocide ended tomorrow, I’m just never buying Israeli electronics again. I’ve been boycotting Sony all this time for a mere rootkit.

    If you haven’t already, you should boycott people who booby-trap their products.

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    The “pager attack” killed 42 people, including two children and two healthcare workers, while wounding another 2,800 people. The attacks targeted public areas, including cars, streets, and supermarkets, and many of the wounded suffered eye, hand, and brain injuries. Many survivors needed surgery, and some victims went blind or had to have their limbs amputated. One of the attacks killed an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, along with a nurse. At a funeral for some victims, another electronic device attack was carried out by Israel, wounding more people. It’s unknown how many Hezbollah operatives the attack actually killed.

    “That was a great operation,” Trump reportedly told Netanyahu, after being given the morbid gift.

    I can not believe this man was voted in. I can not believe this time line is real.

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      You should see the hasbarists that tried to tell me that the operation was highly successful since it killed the children of Hezbollah operators, and that was its intended victims. Basically these people consider children to be very valid and normal targets to the point that you are a fool for thinking it is wrong.

      In all honesty at that point I am actually surprised at the restraint that Hamas and everyone else has had on them. Iran and even the Houthis defeated Israel’s Iron Dome and David’s Sling so many times it isn’t funny, but they still act like it is some impenetrable forcefield that has never been defeated. Also all of the targets by Hezbollah and Iran have been purely military targets or symbolic while also pulling some major punches, while Israel targets civilians with wanton abandon and with the intent to do as much damage as possible to civilians and civilian infrastructure.

      When Israel did get (mostly warhead-less) missiles launched at it, they expressed shock and acted as if Iran was some idiotic child-like state that did not understand that these are weapons that could hurt people. In the meantime they revel in the murder of children and civilians and even when releasing hostages as a part of their deal, they open fire at their buses.

      And Israel has always been like this. It isn’t new.

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      He wasn’t voted in. Elon manipulated the voting system for trumps gain. Trump even said it himself “Elon knows voting machines”. They have taken over our country and are dismantling it piece by piece. The question is, how do we stop these fucks?

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        This is such a strange take, but a popular one among Americans it seems. There are many more elements to why Trump is president, structural incentives especially money in politics and the specific democratic process that involves the Electoral College, districts etc. I’m not American yet even I know about these… don’t you guys? It’s sad because it seems like you guys are fucked, and have no idea what you did wrong. The burgler is in the house and you all are trying to wrestle down a potted plant.

        It’s also absurd because the US markets itself as the world leader of democracy, but Democratic voters are saying, “Why didn’t you vote with the Party? You shouldn’t have exercised democracy!”

        I know you don’t speak for all Americans, but maybe you can shed some light on this.

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          If it was only America that was fucked it wouldn’t be such a big deal, America deserves it.

          Unfortunately the election consequences also mean America is locking in accelerating climate change, which is going to hurt the poorest countries the most.

          America and the other richest countries have the best means to mitigate the damage. American homes come with heating and AC standard.

          In the most marginalized communities in the world climate change is going to turn into climate genocide.

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          For the benefit of other countries dealing with their own rightwing dickhead movements, what we did wrong was slow-roll prosecuting them for blatant crimes.

          Biden should have announced prosecutions into far right agitators during his inauguration speech. It shouldn’t have just been the useful rubes from 1/6 that faced consequences. The people and organizations that backed that coup, who fanned the flames and incited violence should have been in cuffs in less than a month, including Trump. From jail, he can’t tweet, he can’t truth social. He can still write to newspapers, and have interviews, and have his lawyer make statements, but all those options have an extra layer of accountability, which would have put a lid on his rampant race-baiting and fear mongering.

          I know some of you are going to be worried about appearing partisan. The truth is, bipartisanship is a weapon of the far right. When they are in power, they ride roughshod over everything and everyone, with absolute glee when they can foist terrible policies on the other side. When they call for bipartisan compromise, they are saying “hey! You need to accommodate the views of our bigots and 1% base! Won’t you think of them!?” and we should have told them to fuck off.

          People need to vote, and they need to vote effectively. If you’ve got ranked choice, great, vote for the candidates that represent your views the best. If you have a first past the post system, then you need to vote for the least worst candidate that can actually win, even if they don’t align with your morals or ethics. I know it sucks to do it, but you have to consider risk versus reward when making your decision. Taking a big risk on our rights and lives to make a small statement about historical support to a historical ally in a conflict practically as old as history itself, is a really fucking stupid thing to do. There was practically nothing to gain and everything to lose.

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          Do you think maybe there are multiple reasons why Trump is president and one of them could possibly be because far more people sat out the election than could have swung it against him?

          Also, you shouldn’t vote with the party. You should vote against the fascist. I have no idea why that is confusing to you unless you vote for fascists.

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      Believe it or not the Democrats had machinations themselves that they had been working on a long time, and was very nasty. Rumor had it, Kamala would have no problem finalizing those plans, which is why she was ushered in without a primary and Joe was forced out. BOTH PARTIES HAVE GOT TO GO. The democrats enabled this level of power abuse because they wanted the power themselves, nothing was codified into law because they thought they would have the power. They are just as guilty of these current administrations actions because they themselves refuse to limit the powers and reach of branches of the government, they only ever extend them… And they did it because they had plans for that power, but you don’t need to believe that, the evidence they allowed the power to exist is elected and likely xitting on truth right now, that’s all you really need to believe, Democrats enabled this.

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        Trump does something abhorrent.

        Writes paragraph explaining why it’s the Democrats fault.

        The conservative propoganda machine has really done a number on some of y’all.

        Like you couldn’t even stop to acknowledge what happened you were so eager to make Trump’s actions all about the Dems.

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      You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

      I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

      Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.

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        Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way. Your hands fill up faster with trump.

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          I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

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            You’re living with the delusion of clean hands and a clean conscious and you only had to sacrifice countless numbers of people to do it.

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              If I had voted for Kamala I would’t even have that delusion.

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            This is prime “enlightened third party voter” meme material right here.

            Must be nice in that ivory tower.

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              And this is prime “You didn’t vote for my shit candidate, therefore you are literally Hitler”.

              It is certainly nice to not have blood on my hands.

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            this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?

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              There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

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                right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the ‘second party’ right?

                edit: and also, i agree itd not youre fault, not trying to assess blame, just trying to understand the psyche of a (realistically) non-voter

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            You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you’re American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.

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              The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

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                Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn’t a “tiny bit worse”.

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                  Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

                  I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

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              Did he have only one opponent? Last time I checked there were more than two candidates.

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      Go figure… Maybe those who stayed home and didnt vote made a conscious choice for “certain, quick, unpleasant end” instead of “slow, uncertain end”.

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    One day, decades from now, people will read about these men in the same way we read about Mussolini and Hitler. They’ll be reading with bated breath about the atrocities they committed and we’ll be asked by our grandchildren how was it possible to even happen. Hopefully they’ll live in a world where none of this would be possible and they won’t comprehend the evil and cruelty that we got to witness, they won’t be able to understand how so many millions cheered for these monsters. Come to think of it, I don’t understand why so many millions cheer for them today.

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        Israel had invested billions and continues to invest record numbers every year into propaganda and desinformation, in particular revisionism of its own history. And countries like the US and Germany are helping them with it.

        For instance in some places in Germany it was decided to make it mandatory for teachers to use a leaflet called “Mythos Nakba” - Nakba myth, which is claiming the ethnic cleansing of around 750.000 Palestinians before and during the formation of Israel in 1948 to be a “myth”. Of course this leaflet comes from an Israeli propaganda organization, with connections to the government funded “Zentralrat der Juden” - central council of Jews. The “Zentralrat” used to be a representation of Jews in Germany but has been usurped into a key organization of Israeli propaganda in Germany over the past decades, while continuing to claim to represent the mainstream of Jews in Germany.

        This is particularly insane in Germany, where denial of the Holocaust is a common trope of the fascists too.

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      Nope, this turn in history will go beyond decades. We have entered the dystopian age where corporations will run or replace governments.

      There’s no coming back for this one.

      Corporations 1, people 0.

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    IF they had verified each individual target before detonating it could have been the single operation with the highest success rate for hitting actual militants and the lowest civillian casualties out of everything Israel has done lately, but instead they just detonated like a thousand pagers and pissed off Lebanon immediately after a US Diplomat came by to criticize them for escalating tensions in Lebanon.

    Actually, it still might be. Pretty low bar.

    I wonder if Trump’s Gold Apollo will blow up, too.

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      That last bit was my thought too, I ain’t taking a pager from that dude. Gold or otherwise.

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    That’s fucking macabre… And since it’s from Israel, there’s probably a bug in the pager too…

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    Imagine the outrage if a world leader gifted another leader a golden model airplane after 9/11.

    Insanity.

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    Fucking grotesque. Hey why not make a lampshade of human skin next time. Sick fucks.