https://xcancel.com/FearedBuck/status/1983584943025615329#m

VANCE He has this command : Place. Which is basically, I snap my finger and point. He will run to that place and lay down.

INTERVIEWER You don’t have to zap him? like Hasan

VANCE Like Hasan Piker? No

both laughing uncontrollably

INTERVIEWER Wasn’t that disgusting?

VANCE There’s no electrocution of dogs here.

INTERVIEWER How disgusting is that? What does it tell you about a person?

VANCE I think it tells you that they’re bad people. … If you mistreat dogs, that’s almost a 100% sign that you’re a going to be a really terrible person.

    • Chana [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      1 month ago

      So this is his defence of what he phrases as the worst position, but what’s the minimalist position? He uses a vibrating collar to force his dog to stay on a bed while he streams?

      Why are you pessimistically speculating? No, he just says, “place”, sometimes a few times, sometimes once, and she goes there because she is well-trained.

      Why do you think it is more reasonable to assume the Destiny harassment subreddit is more on the ball than us?

        • trinicorn [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          1 month ago

          it feels kinda like you started from a position (either not liking hasan for other reasons or misleading clips on fash subs) and worked backwards. Using clips cut by reactionaries as primary sources on what his opinion is is whack.

          I think if you looked at see he isn’t forcing her to stay on the bed. “Place” is said specifically when she comes and tries to lay down somewhere else in the room on the hard floors but like once a stream most days she gets up and goes off camera (presumably to another room or to be with his family?) for an extended period and he doesn’t do anything about that. But if she’s going to just be laying in the room with him (which she seems to want to be with him, which is pretty normal), she has to be on the bed… Which lines up with what he’s said the whole time.

          I don’t even like hasan much these days but I reallly need to stop hearing about this in particular.

          He only “defends” shock collars in that he says they are not illegal and are pretty normalized in the US. He doesn’t make a value judgement about them. It’s valid to disagree with that but it’s not a reflection of what he does with his own dog, which he’s said and appears to be just a vibrating collar for outdoor off-leash use. Maybe, if we are to give malicious clips way too much credit, he could have used it indoors to reinforce the place training, I don’t know if that’s perfect dog training practice, but it’s not animal cruelty, IMO

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      16·
      1 month ago

      That is a big ass dog at high risk of hip dysplasia, she does in fact need to stay in her bed so she doesn’t develop a habit of resting on hardwood floors which would destroy her joints and hip, he’s being perfectly responsible

      And he uses commands to get her to stay on her bed, not the vibrating collar he uses for outdoor activities

    • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      1 month ago

      So this is his defence of what he phrases as the worst position, but what’s the minimalist position? He uses a vibrating collar to force his dog to stay on a bed while he streams?

      This is completely disconnected from what he says and what we have any evidence for. The point of vibrating collars isn’t to torture the animal, but to give them a fast and unambiguous signal at any distance that you have conditioned them to associate with a particular command or set of commands (e.g. “come to your owner,” “pay attention to your owner,” “stop being aggressive”). Kaya is left off-leash outside a lot and it’s reasonable to have something like a vibration collar for communicating in a fast and unambiguous manner with your dog over distance. It’s not “this thing is shaking and it will continue to overstimulate you until you submit” it’s basically just like a vibrating phone or something acting as an alert by momentarily providing a stimulus.

      He has Kaya stay on the bed most of the time when there happens to not be other people in the house to watch her out of concern for her joints. She’ll be off-camera somewhere else in the house for long stretches of time when there are other people around to watch her.

      he can surely afford carpet

      He has carpets, but the floor is still harder than what is ideal for a big dog to sleep on. You’ll notice that she has a suspension bed for this reason.